Overstable vs Understable

The flight of a disc is one of the most important factors we consider when buying a disc. The feel of the disc in our hand would be a close second. But, how the disc actually flies for us tops the list of factors. One of the most important aspects of the flight of a disc is its stability.

Disc Stability

The stability of a given disc is how the disc flies immediately out of our hand, and how it behaves as it slows down. I talked about those disc qualities in my blog about flight numbers, HERE. For this blog, we’ll explore the terms ‘overstable’, ‘stable’, and ‘understable’. We will also looks at the weakness in using those terms to describe the flight of a disc. So, let’s get right to it!

The terminology can be confusing. For the sake of this blog post, I’ll look at each of the three terms mentioned above and establish a definition for each of them, so we can be consistent in our description about the flight of the disc. I’ll start with the term ‘overstable’.

Overstable

Let’s define ‘overstable’ as a discs ability to resist turning during the first part of the flight, and its hard fade as the disc slows down. The ‘turn’ of a disc, for a right-hand back-hand throw (RHBH) is its movement to the right immediately after the disc is thrown. The ‘fade’ is its movement to the left as the disc slows down. As players improve their technique and skill, their ability to throw the disc at high speeds increases. As the speed of the throw increases, so does the need for more overstable discs to prevent the flight from turning too much.

Check out this list of the highest rated overstable disc golf discs.

Understable

Now let’s consider the term ‘understable’. We consider a disc as being understable if it has a tendency to turn a significant amount right out of the hand. A disc that is very understable typically doesn’t have very much fade at the end. An understable disc is great for newer players who lack the arm speed to throw more overstable discs, since they can’t generate enough speed for the overstable discs to fly right. If the necessary speed can’t be achieved, nearly every disc becomes overstable to a beginner. Check out this list for the top understable disc golf discs.

One of the ways the manufacturers can offer more molds to beginners is to offer overstable molds in lighter weights. Due to the disc having less mass to get up to speed, newer players can ‘cheat’ the system and still throw molds that would be too overstable in heavier weights.

Check out this list for the most understable disc golf discs for sale.

Stable

Now let’s talk about the term that has a little more flexible definition: ‘stable’. When I hear people calling a disc ‘stable’, they typically mean that the disc doesn’t have a lot of turn, nor does it fade hard. When I hear it in reference to another disc, it can either mean more overstable or more understable, depending on the situation. If you say that you are throwing a Slab (12, 3, 0, 4), but want something a little more stable, you are saying that you want a disc that is not so overstable.

If you are throwing a Kon Tiki (4, 5, -3, 0) and say you want something a little more stable, you mean that you want something that is less understable. Basically, in both examples you are saying that you want something that flies a little less extreme and a little closer to a neutral flight.

Occasionally, I’ll hear someone refer to a disc being more stable than another, when they mean more overstable. That is an inconsistent use of the term, and may lead to a follow-up question to clarify the meaning. To eliminate any ambiguity, I recommend referring to discs as being more or less overstable or understable.

These are the top rated “stable flying discs.”

Flight Numbers

 

The flight numbers of a disc help us know the basic flight of a disc, assuming we can throw the disc at the proper speed. If we can meet the speed requirements of a disc, we can then look at the last two rating in the flight rating to determine the overstability or understability of a disc. Let’s look at some examples.

Disc Examples

The Scepter and the Sphinx are speed nine discs from Infinite. The Scepter’s flight numbers are 9, 4, 0, 4. The ‘0, 4’ are the last two numbers, and tell you that this mold would resist turning, even at high speeds (the 0), and will finish strong to the left (the 4). It is an example of an overstable fairway driver.

The flight numbers for the Sphinx are 9, 6, -3, 1. The -3 is the amount of turn that the Sphinx exhibits when thrown at the necessary speed. That means it will turn to the right quite a bit at high speeds. Add a little headwind into the situation and the Sphinx could end up as a roller. Plus, the last number, ‘1’, indicates that the Sphinx isn’t going to fade very much to the left. It is an understable fairway driver.

The more negative the turn number means the more turn to the right the disc will move during the high-speed portion of the flight. A disc with a -5 turn number will turn more to the right than one with a -1 turn number. Discs with a turn of 0 or positive 1 won’t turn to the right very much at all, and are great for headwind shots.

The fade number tells you how much a disc will move to the left at the end of the flight. The higher the number, the more it will travel to the left as it slows down. In our examples above, the Scepter (fade number is 4) moves a lot more left than the Sphinx (fade number is 1).

Using The Numbers

Knowing the stability of a disc helps up choose discs that work for our needs. Keep in mind that the weight and plastic type also affect the stability of a disc. Check out Infinites flight ratings for each disc, for a more accurate depiction of a discs actual flight. Click HERE to see the blog mentioned previously, which talks about the Infinite Flight Rating.

Focus Friday – Infinite Discs Scepter

For our Focus Friday this week, we are going to spotlight the SCEPTER by Infinite Discs. Originally PDGA approved on April 3rd of 2019, the Scepter is an overstable control driver with a flat top and a 1.9cm rim thickness. It was designed together with manufacturer Innova Champion Discs to provide a Firebird-like disc that always has a flat top. Flat-topped discs are very popular with power throwers or those who primarily drive forehand. The flat top gives forehand throwers a better grip with the thumb on top of the disc and more controlled release. The design has also proven very useful when throwing into headwinds or when throwing high, spike-hyzers that need to drop from above onto the target.

THE SCEPTER

The Scepter can be wielded with strength and confidence on the course. The limited edition first release had a cool, 2-color stamp and the stock stamp came out shortly afterward on C-Blend plastic with a total run of 800 discs.  The 2nd run was a special edition in Metal Flake Glow C-Blend, which turned out even flatter on the top and looked great. So far, those were used for tournament support and in a limited edition with a Scorpio Zodiac stamp (originally released in the VIP Club Store).

The C-Blend SCEPTER was picked by professional FPO disc golfer, Nicole “Pickle” Dionisio to be her  signature disc, since she is a strong forehand player and loved the feel of the disc. She is a great member of Team Infinite. Her signature edition features a beautifully intricate stamp design by Thought Space Athletics (another of her sponsors).

Here is a 60-second video review of the SCEPTER by Taylor AuBuchon which shows the disc’s overstable flight characteristics. You can also see the limited edition 2-foil stamp in his review.

TRY OUT THE SCEPTER WITH A BIG DISCOUNT!

For the next week, through Friday, February 14th, you can pick up a SCEPTER from Infinite Discs with a huge 20% discount when you use the following promo code:

FOCUS-SCEPTER

CLICK HERE TO SHOP FOR THE SCEPTER.  Simply add as may Scepter discs to your shopping cart as you want, then BEFORE you click to checkout, look below the shopping cart. Right below the shopping cart is a box for Discount Codes. Click there and paste the code into the box. Then proceed to checkout and you’ll get the discount.

Here is a screenshot to help you out, though it doesn’t necessarily show a Scepter in the cart, or the 20% discount– it’s just a generic visual to help you find the discount code box:

We hope that you love throwing the SCEPTER by Infinite Discs. If you’ve thrown the disc, feel free to post your comments in the comments. Thanks!

STAY TUNED for our next Focus Friday for another change to try a featured disc at a nice discounted price!

Infinite Discs RUIN – Overstable Approach Disc

THE CONCEPT

Infinite Discs is very excited to kick-off the 2020 year with a new disc release to help enhance your disc golf short game. We’ve been working with Innova, the manufacturer of the Infinite Discs line, to create a mold for a small diameter, overstable approach disc. We’ve noticed that a lot of players, including pro players, have turned from standard mid-range discs to approach discs that have dimensions more like putters. We wanted a disc that would fit that trend, with a relatively flat-top and manageable rim size for both forehand and backhand throwers. We also wanted the disc to be overstable enough that it could be thrown with speed and confidence to hold the line for a longer stretch and still finish with a solid fade.

Maybe you’ve watched players like Paul McBeth throw the Discraft Zone for shots approaching the basket from a couple hundred feet away. Or you’ve watched Ricky Wysocki throw some amazing approach shots with the Innova Pig (used to throw the Westside Harp for similar shots). The list could go on, with many players using overstable “putt-and-approach” discs to get through tight fairways or to make runs at the basket from longer distances. That’s what we wanted in our own disc line.

THE PROTOTYPE TEST

Several months passed while the mold was created and prepared for a test run. In late 2019 we received a small box of prototype discs from the Innova factory so we could test our overstable approach disc. It was exactly what we were hoping for. The profile was just right with a flat-top that would feel great for forehand approach shots, plus a rim size that was not too tall so that it could also be thrown backhand with comfort.

Some of us at Infinite Discs took the disc out to throw it around and see how it flew. It felt like a great overstable complement to the already popular Infinite Discs Tomb, which is more of a straight-flying approach disc with minimal fade. We could throw the new test disc even harder without turning it over and it had significantly more fade.

We made the remaining prototype discs available to Team Infinite and VIP Club members as “Infinite Proto Mold #15” and those few discs sold out immediately. Our office team sought feedback from outside players who picked up those prototypes, and that feedback was very positive. So, we decided to order a complete run in durable, long-lasting C-Blend plastic (Infinite Discs equivalent to Innova Champion plastic).

COMING UP WITH THE NAME

You may have noticed that the Infinite Discs lineup has been using names that primarily recall ancient cultures. The brand kicked off with ancient Egyptian references, including the Pharaoh, the RA, the Sphinx, etc. Some discs were named after elements that could move across different ancient cultures, like the Myth, the Tomb, or the Chariot.  In the second year, we moved into some ancient Roman names like the Emperor, the Centurion, the Cohort, etc. Our third year is intended to be themed with ancient American cultural names, like with the early release of the Aztec. But with the new approach disc, we again wanted to pick a name that would cross all of the cultures.

Plus, as an overstable approach disc, we thought it should sound dense, or heavy. Well, all of the ancient cultures we know about have left their mark on the landscape through ruins. The heavy, megalithic ruins tend to last the longest and are often more memorable. Whether the ancient pyramids, the ruins of the Roman Empire, or the impressive temples of central and south America, we can still see and visit the remains of those cultures today.

Thus, the RUIN was named and will feature artwork with any number of ancient cultural references. The name was first revealed with the PDGA approval announcement. We found some of the initial reactions to the name to be quite humorous. “This disc is going to RUIN your game,” or “this disc will RUIN the course.” Luckily, most of us at Infinite Discs think that disc golf should be fun and that making fun of names is pretty harmless. So, why not wreak wreck and ruin with your overstable approach disc?

The RUIN was born.

THE LIMITED EDITION FIRST RELEASE

Infinite Discs has kicked off some of the previous disc releases with limited edition stamps. We thought the RUIN deserved the same treatment, so our initial limited edition will feature an XXL stamp. And what better way to ruin the ancient Egyptian ruins than with an alien invasion? Some of our stamps featuring Aliens taking over ancient cultures have been well received, so this fits right in.

WATCH FOR THE LIMITED EDITION RELEASE ON JANUARY 17th, 2020

Note: Some X-Out / Factory 2nd discs were made available in advance of the release, for those who wanted to try it early.

Also watch for a limited edition Las Vegas Challenge I-Blend RUIN to be featured in the am player packs at the event!

 

FOCUS FRIDAY – THE YIKUN LU (LUAN)

We’ve started taking the opportunity to focus on specific discs in specific plastic types on Fridays and call them “FOCUS FRIDAY” blogs. We may not make it on every week, but we’ll try to keep some fresh discs in the spotlight on a somewhat regular basis.

Our New Focus Friday Features the Yikun LU (or LUAN)

The LU by Yikun Discs (also called the “Luan”) was originally introduced in Phoenix Line plastic which is a durable, translucent plastic similar to popular blends like Innova Champion or Discraft Z Line. But more recently, Yikun experimented with a new version of the plastic which is now called PHOENIX STAR. This new plastic blend is gummy and flexible, like the discontinued Frost Line plastic by Latitude 64, or the sometimes seen Gummy Champion by Innova. It’s a great plastic blend for cold weather when discs tend to stiffen-up. It feels truly unique.

The disc itself came out VERY flat in the Phoenix Star plastic. It almost has the profile of a dinner plate! It is a wide rim driver at maximum “speed 14” and an overstable finish. This is a great utility disc when you want a hard fade at the end of flight, or if you love to crank sidearm (forehand) or overhand (tomahawk style). Power throwers will love cranking on the LU, and more intermediate players will find it to be a very useful overstable disc when a lot of side-to-side movement is needed on the course. The disc can also be used for a huge spike-hyzer.

Here is a little clip of an amateur throwing the overstable LU after showing how flexible it is. You can see how dramatically it fades once it loses speed.

Three Words: FLAT, FLEXIBLE, and FAST!

This week (until Saturday the 2nd of November) you can get your hands on the LU with a great discount of 20% OFF! Simply add the LU discs to your cart that you desire, then before clicking to “Checkout,” look below your shopping cart for the Discount Code box and enter this code:

FOCUS-LU

Then click “Checkout” to proceed to the payment screen with the 20% discount applied. The discount will apply to all the LU discs in your shopping cart.